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December 14, 2017 at 6:11 pm #79461
I’ve been in scouting for many years now, and I continue to see Scouts wearing the Totin’ Chit patch on their right pocket flap. Please address this one and put it to bed? Where is the ONLY place the Totin Chit patch can be worn on the BSA uniform?
Tired of arguing with Scouts/Leaders alike.
December 15, 2017 at 7:48 am #79489
It’s a temporary patch, so the correct placement of the both the Totin’ Chit and the Fire’m Chip patches are on the right pocket (not the right pocket flap).
This is specifically called out in the BSA Guide to Awards and Insignia, in the Boy Scout Insignia section, at the bottom right of Page 16.
Totin’ Chip, cloth, No. 8597; Boy Scout; worn as a temporary patch on right pocket; not to be worn on pocket flap.
Firem’n Chit, cloth, No. 8599; Boy Scout, worn as a temporary patch on right pocket; not to be worn on pocket flap.
December 22, 2017 at 6:22 pm #79849
The BSA should stop making the totin chip patch the shape of a pocket flap. Make it square and put a loop on it and be done with this nonsense.
March 20, 2019 at 8:34 am #192777
“Merit badges may be worn on the front and back of the sash. Temporary patches may only be worn on the back of the sash. The merit badge sash and the Order of the Arrow sash may not be worn at the same time.”
March 13, 2018 at 8:34 am #90534
Right pocket flap. It’s temporary.
The other scouters you’ve spoken with are correct.
July 17, 2019 at 4:17 pm #228640
From the Guide to Awards and Insignia….
“worn as a temporary patch on right pocket; not to be worn on pocket flap.”
“worn as a temporary patch on right pocket; not to be worn on pocket flap.”
Also, this from the area dealing with merit badge sashes…
“Temporary patches may only be worn on the back of the sash.”
August 17, 2019 at 6:28 am #249836
Thank you Jeff, good info.
I stumbled on this with the intent on asking the dumb question if I should take the Totin Chip off my uniform to attend an Eagle Court of Honor as an adult, 20 years since getting my Eagle. My troop always wore them on the pocket flap since as you’ve all mentioned, it’s pocket flap shaped! 🙂
I guess it needs to come off the flap, and needs to stay off as an adult.
June 5, 2018 at 10:40 am #112410
Why are people getting so bent it of shape? I’ve seen them on the pocket flap and they look good. At summer camp the shop guys won’t sell pocket knives unless you are wearing it or can show a card. I’m going to show my kids how to see a loop on so it can be worn temporary in case I run into any of these folks who are sweating the small stuff.
October 10, 2018 at 9:18 pm #157056
Hi there, how can you earn the Totin Chip without waiting for Summer Camp?
January 22, 2019 at 9:33 pm #183183
If the Totin Chit and Fire man Chit is to be worn on the pocket then why would it come shaped as a flap. And what to do if a Scout has both!!?
BSA, make the Chit patches NOT resemble a flap.
February 15, 2019 at 3:10 pm #187431
Back in the mid-1980s, a scout was issued a Totin’ Chip card and the patch (white, with a green border, shaped like a pocket flap). HOWEVER, the patch was NOT AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR on the uniform — only on the backpack or a blanket, etc (like the Historic Trails award, Paul Bunyan Axeman, 50 Miler patch, etc.). You never wore those on your uniform or merit badge sash (though you’d always see oddball patches being worn on the sash). Now, if an adult saw a scout misusing an knife or ax, he’d cut a corner off of your card. Four corners cut off meant that your Totin’ Chip privileges were revoked. But this was all basically “unofficial” since many scouts used knives without the Totin’ Chip training. I guess uniform rules have changed?
March 4, 2019 at 7:35 am #189880
YOU ARE ALL WRONG. The firem’n chit patch is not temporary. It should be worn on the back of the merit badge sash.
March 4, 2019 at 7:35 am #189881
March 13, 2019 at 6:21 am #191727
Not sure I get the idea of a patch being temporary. Scouts for the most part, hate sewing. I thought both Totin Chit and Firen Chit were patches on the sash and the cards were REQUIRED for any fire making or knife, axe and saw usage.
I am guessing this is not in the uniform guide?
March 14, 2019 at 1:47 pm #191865
Since the Insignia Guide has been updated, here’s the new relevant links:
April 2, 2019 at 7:56 am #194958
I am a SM of a new All-Girl Troop under Scouts BSA whose about to give out these patches. If these are truly temporary, I also recommend that this patch be remade like a square and with a loop.
Here’s why.. most Scouts won’t sew.. so parents are paying a seamstress to sew on a temp badge (wasting parents $$). OR (more likely) Scouts are using badge magic to attach it. From my son’s experience with removing this patch and the badge magic there was quite the stain left (yes we followed the proper method).
Now imagine how this looks for our new young ladies joining the program. It does not look right!!! fix the badge!!! Who do we need to elevate this to in order to make it happen???
April 4, 2019 at 8:25 am #195206
I suggest you attack this problem at its source:
Your scouts won’t sew.
That needs to change. Devote a meeting or two to making sewing kits that fit in backpacks. As an excersize, have the scout’s use their kits to sew on a patch. It’s not just about patches. In an active scout’s career, there will be tent, shirt, sail, or leatherwork that is torn or ripped at the seam.
I’ve done this with boys at summer camp. They’d ask for help placing a patch, and I’d get out my kit and teach them to sew,
Sure one or two scouts will still rely on a seamstress or adhesive. But one or two will become that seamstress, and the rest will be prepared for life.
June 5, 2019 at 8:51 am #213026
These are two badge that indicate a Scout is trained and responsible to engage in certain activities. Making them temporary is silly, because you cannot know if the Scout earned it or not. Trustworthy is a point of the law, but let’s be honest, ‘confused’ and ‘eager to play’ are good descriptors of the younger scouts who haven’t earned the badges. I would recommend a smaller patch that is always worn where the leader’s Trained patches go. It can be pointed at to encourage the untrained scouts to earn their privileges. It can also be used to screen out different levels of training opportunities.
June 10, 2019 at 11:10 am #214291
P.S. Yes to everything Q said about teaching them to sew!
June 10, 2019 at 4:21 pm #214988
Thanks for taking the time to share your observations, BSILA. It helps folks understand how differently other troops operate. It’s a big country indeed.
For example, I have rarely seen either patch worn. Our troop doesn’t hand out the patches. We award the cards, and if a scout wants to order one from the scout shop or buy it at the scout shop, it’s on his dime. I’m quite sure that most other troops in our area do the same.
I think it’s in the water here. I’ve had young women in my crew who were sick of GS/USA doling out awards for “every little thing.” (Needless to say, venturing awards are a very hard sell around here. But, that’s another story.)
The one down-side of being cards-only: my boys didn’t carry a wallet. That’s changing these days as boys need something to hold their cell phones!
June 10, 2019 at 11:11 am #214439
Lots of reasons for the patch being temporary … the most important being that we already have these ovals to put on left pockets. Once those are earned, they say it all.
The second reason is that it’s a rare scout who is wearing his uniform in the axe yard.
June 17, 2019 at 9:00 am #216324
Another reason that are considered temporary is because a scout can lose his totin’ chip and firem’n chit. They really should keep their cards on them for proof of earning it
September 6, 2019 at 1:52 pm #265394
In an organization that changes requirements more than some people do their underwear, I find it trivial and a waste of time to even think about this yet another “crisis”. Do what everybody else does – whatever they want to. After all, it’s not your grandfather’s BSA anymore.