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‘That’s Mr. West to you, mister’: Are your Scouts on a first-name basis with leaders?

names-jamesewestIf BSA founder James E. West were around today, how would your Scouts address him?

Mr. West? James? Mr. James? Jimmy E.?

The way Scouts and Venturers address leaders was on the mind of Scouter Terry (or is it Mr. Scouter Terry?) yesterday when he sent me this email:

Bryan,
My wife and I have always made our children address adults by title and last name, Mr. or Mrs.

I have explained to our young Scouts on several occasions that as an adult I felt it was appropriate that they address adults by title and last name, yet they continue to refer to the adults by first name.

It seems as though many adults are lax on this as well, never correcting the children.

My Wood Badge Troop Guide said that his rule was: Once a boy earns Eagle Scout, first names are acceptable. Until then, use Mr./Mrs. and the last name.

Are there suggestions on how this needs to be addressed? Am I off base with this one? What do others think/suggest?


Good question, Terry. After your email, I polled our Facebook friends and saw an overwhelming response of 335 replies in less than 24 hours.

Some Scouters are OK with first names; others require Scouts to use honorifics and last names. Still other leaders use a combination method: Mr. Bryan, for example.

Here’s a representative sample of the responses, broken down by subject. Take a look, and then weigh in by leaving a comment.

Title/honorific and last name

For many Scouters, this comes down to simple respect. They tell Scouts to use the appropriate honorific (Mr., Mrs., Dr., Father, etc.) and the adult’s last name.

  • “We always have the Scouts address adults by title and last name. However, as soon as a Scout ages out, I let them know they can call me by my first name. Some do immediately, some never do. We feel that Scouts may be one of the few places that they learn respect and manners. It was odd at first, but now I couldn’t imagine it any other way.” — Lou S.
  • “When I was a Cubmaster, I let the kids call me by my first name, then realized after a while that I goofed. It was a tough transition, but we got through it, and the boys are all more respectful to their elders. We are their leaders, mentors and educators, not their buddies.” — John C.
  • “When working on camp staff, I tried to address my Scouts as ‘Mr. Anderson’ and ‘Mr. Richards,’ etc. Thought it built respect both ways.” — Dan S.

First names only

In many units, especially Venturing crews, everyone uses first names.

  • My name is Andy. Mr Sissons is my father! I am only 46!” — Andy S.
  • “I always insisted that my Cubs call me by my first name. It’s friendlier, and they tend to open up more when they think you’re on the same plying level as them. It’s been six years since I crossed my first set of Webelos, and I still have some of them coming to me for advice.” — Stephanie M. 
  • “First names are fine. Respect isn’t developed through an enforced construct.” — Diane G.
  • In our crew we are all on a first-name basis. Adults are referred to as Advisors rather than leaders in the Venturing program because the goal is for the youth to lead themselves.” — Chris M.

Leave it up to each Scouter

Why set one policy? Some Scouters argue you should leave it up to each adult to choose a name he/she prefers.

  • “It’s totally a matter of personal preference. The key is showing respect, regardless of which is preferred.” — Rich W.
  • “The short answer to this is… how do you want the Scouts or any youth to address you? Then introduce yourself that way and correct them if they do it differently.” — Orinda W.
  • “Several of our leaders have nicknames. Like, I am ‘bigpoppapork,’ but the other leaders go with what make them comfortable. I don’t think a name commands respect; your actions do.” — James P.

Title/honorific and first name

Get the best of both worlds, some Scouters wrote, by combining a title with a first name.

  • We compromise. We like the informal first name but we use the title: Mr. Brad, Ms. Mary, Mr. Jason.” — Brad B.
  • “Ms. Sarah. I am a leader, not a teacher. I call them by their first names.” — Sarah O.

Other thoughts

Some of these great ideas didn’t fit into any of the above categories:

  • My Scouts earn the right to call me by my first name when they earn the Eagle rank — not before.” — Lou K.
  • “I have Scouts who address me as Mrs. Lindsay at Scout meetings and Mrs. Foster at school (where they are my students). In our explanation, it commands a level of respect, but also recognizes a level of friendship/mentorship.” — Lindsay F.
  • Over here in Australia, Scout leaders and Cub leaders are given names by the youth members. Cubs will pick names out of the Jungle Book; the only restriction is the name must be a good name not an evil name. With Scouts they can select a name they think best suits that person, but it must be a “socially acceptable name.” We have three leaders: Batman, Gecko, and I am Obi-Wan Kenobi. The leaders name badges have that name on them, and even leaders will refer to other leaders by their leader name.” — David R.

Your turn, Mr. or Ms. Scouter

Please weigh in by leaving a comment below.

111 thoughts on “‘That’s Mr. West to you, mister’: Are your Scouts on a first-name basis with leaders?

  1. I believe that the use of Mr./Ms. is important for two reasons: First, to keep present in the mind of the youth that they are not one of the adults, and second, to keep present in the mind of the adult that they are not one of the youth. In my personal experience, the latter can quite frequently be more the more important of the two.

    I believe the whole position that “respect is earned not forced” is simply wrong. When the President of the United States enters or leaves a room everyone stands out of respect, regardless of if the man has earned or deserves any respect. The same basic principle applies, or should apply, in every other relationship.

    Respect your parents, whether you agree with their parenting style or not. Respect your employer/boss and those in your chain of command whether you agree with their leadership style or not. Respect your Scoutmaster and Scouting leaders whether you think they earned it or not. Respect all other people, from all demographics, no matter what.

    While I respect those who disagree, I would simultaneously submit that one of the reasons this nation is so deeply divided is because we lost this lesson as a society, and have come to not respect our fellow citizens as a starting position, to start respecting them only once we feel them worthy, and to stop respecting them at any moment we feel they are unworthy. Respect should be an immutable constant, most especially for those that we feel do not deserve it.

    • I understand your point; however calling me Mrs. S. does not imply respect; I have been called Ms. S. with derision in the tone of voice and that was way more disrespectful than a friendly “Carrie”. I happen to prefer my first name; I find it disrespectful to disregard my wishes, once I have specifically asked someone to use my first name. My last name is often mispronounced, just adding to my preference. BTW, we use a combo in my pack, each adult choosing how they prefer to be addressed.

  2. Our adult leadership address each other by Mr./Ms., so it’s only appropriate for the boys in the Troop (and Pack) to do the same.

    As my own last name has 10 letter, when I was a Den Leader the boys were permitted to call me ‘Mr. Charlie’, but an appropriate adult title has always been required.

    As an aside: I am a 48 year old Systems Engineer, and many times our customers and senior managers are addressed with similar formality. There’s nothing at all wrong with that.

  3. I have always been Mr. H. to the Scouts. However, they were always taught to use Mr./Mrs. Lastname for all other adults. By the same token in group situations, I spoke of the young men as Mr. Lastname also. It is important to teach the young men what is alway correct in every situation and calling adults Mr./Mrs. Lastname is alway correct. They were able to use informal titles when they became registered adults in whatever program they were in. That could be age 18 or 21. But in front the boys, all adults were Mr./Mrs. all of the time.

  4. The Scouts in my units use Honorific & Last Name for all adults. Eagle Scouts may use first names in private conversation.. Leaders are encouraged to also use Honorific & Last Name to address each other in front of the Scouts. There is a terrible problem with youth showing respect to adults in my neighborhood and this helps alleviate that.

  5. It takes getting used to, but in Royal Rangers, adults were addressed as “Commander _______” or Mr. ____, Mrs. _____, or Ms. _____ The problem is in about a year everybody calls you “Commander” and forget what your real name is. I have been out of R.R. for 5 years and the boys (now adults) still refer to me as Commander Kelly or just Commander.

    I will add to this thread because I asked R.R. Commanders this question, “What do your sons call you?” Do they call you “Dad”? Do they call you “Commander”? Do they call you “Mr. ______?” My son called me “Commander Daddy”. I had new leaders and they wondered what was most proper? My responce was that your son is a member of the unit and should call you the same name as everybody esle BUT they are your son and that is something special, so a son of a leader should have the privilege to call you “Commander Daddy.”
    Ultimately, the boys should be refering to adults with respect just the same that the adults should show the kids respect as well. We would refer to the boys as “Sir”, “Ranger ____” or “Patrol Leader ____” or Second Class ______”.

  6. As a Scout Leader, all the boys address me as Mr. Newman. I even require my son to address me that way while other Scouts are present. They all are used to it and don’t guve it a second thought, now. I did have to call them on their transgressions each time to help them understand I was serious. But that lasted only a couple of meetings.

  7. I just remembered an instance where one boy would call all of the male leaders “Commander.” but the female leader by her first name. The lady came up to me and asked me what to do. I told her to ignore the boy if he did not respond to her with respect. The boy came to me complaining that he was being ignored. My response what the Commander Helen went to all of the training that the male leaders went to. They all earned the title “Commander” and you are insulting her by calling her by her first name. Address her as “Commander Helen” and she if she responds. So he did and he got the attention he wanted. He addressed her as such after that incident.

    The boy has issues with women being in authority over him. The father complained about it to me and I told him that his son needs to get used to the idea since there are women that have earned their title and proper respect needs to be given to them. Going against this is the same as rebelling against God. I then asked him who trained your son to be disrespectful to women?

    • I’m a woman scoutmaster for 4 years. Iv do not want formal names but that’s my choice. I have done all the training including wood badge that you can get. I love that you asked who taught him disrespect because unlike me she wanted formal names and her request should have been honored.

  8. Why do all the comments seem to be focusing on the “right” way to do this? As a teacher for more than 30 years (and Scouter for more than 40), I’ve used both systems. Young people don’t “mind” using the honorific; nor do they disrespect an adult who chooses to use their first name. Stop reading motives into what other people do: Letting kids call you by your first name doesn’t mean you want to be their pal, and having them call you Mr. does not mean you’re setting up artificial barriers.

    • So, you start off criticizing those who say their way is right and close by saying your way is … ?

      Many of the traditions and styles of BSA are directly taken from military. While we do not salute the leaders or have ‘ranks’ for adults, calling grown-ups by their proper title sets life boundaries which are sorely lacking in society today.

  9. The answer to this may vary by region. In some areas of the country, it’s more common for youths to address adults with first names than it is in others. In my area (the Northeast) “Mr. West” is the norm. In the South, “Mr. James” is likely more common, but we never hear that up here. Most Scouts call me “Mr. Huber” but I’ve never enforced it. They’ve occasionally called me by my first name (sometimes just to try and push my buttons) or even a nickname, and I allow it. Remember, we are the Scouts’ *friends* and *mentors*, not their teachers, parents, pastors, etc. An honorific greeting may sound respectful, but true respect comes from within, not through a simple title.

    • I agree. There are regional differences in how young people in general address adults. The same regional differences would apply to how Scouts address their leaders.

      When I lived in Texas, most of my Scouts called me Rich, except for the Scouts who were also students of mine, who called me Mr. Wendling or Mr. W, The Scouts in my current Ohio troop all call me Mr. Wendling.

      The key is, “A Scout is courteous.” Whatever is the best way to show mutual respect in a given troop, or between individual Scouts and leaders, is the best answer to this question.

  10. Go with what is appropriate with your scouting environment. I have a very long hypenated last name. I allow the scouts to call me by either one of my last names preceded by Ms., or they can call me Ms. Isabella. Other leaders use their first name only or go by Mr./Ms.

    When I direct scouts to other adults or leaders, I direct them using the Mr./Ms. approach. Go see Mr. / Ms. Smith.

    Growing up in Europe as a child, we addressed all adults over the age of 20 as Mr. or Ms. especially folks that were elderly or in positions of authority. Also living in the southern U.S. states, in was common practice to address your elders as Mr. or Miss followed by their last name and for other people that you knew with their permission as Mr. or Miss / First name, Mr. George or Miss Johnnie-Mae.

  11. Our Cub Scouts typically call their leaders Mr. First Name. When they cross over and become a Boy Scout, they address leaders as Mr. Last Name. This works well in our area

  12. I am not a formal leader. I agree with the one that says..mr is my father’s name. I’m female but I’m goldie to all. Maam or Mrs makes me feel old. And like several said respect is not in a word is in actions. My scouts and their parents totally behind me. We are friends as well as leader/mentor and scouts. You can be both.

  13. I’ve always been a first name fella. I grew up in the South and have always given the proper respect to everyone around me. Mr. Mrs. Etc.. I ask my scouts to call me by my nickname. My father is Mr. Box, and after many years in the Army, I prefer my first name. I still get call Mr. Box, and let it go. But I’ve seen that boys are closer, and communicate better on a first name. They see my not only as their adult leader but as a friend. I’m happy to see them at meetings, campouts, service projects, and that’s what matters..

  14. In our Council NYLT classes the staff and participants are all Mr., Miss, Mrs. or Ms.
    and have been as long as I can remember.

  15. The Scouters in our Troop are always referred to Mr., Ms., Mrs., and their last name by the Scouts and the other Scouters. The Scouts learn how to address the adults by hearing the Scouters address each other. When our Scouts turn 18 and continue to serve with the Troop in a leadership position, they are addressed as Mr. and their last name. We make a point to introduce these former Scouts at our Troop meeting as Mr. Last Name. Another way that this is emphasized to the Scouts, is when they sit for a Board of Review, each adult introduces himself or herself as Mr., Ms., Mrs., Last Name and a hand shake. This teaches respect and isn’t that what Scouting is all about?

  16. I prefer Scouts and Scouters to call me by my first name. I guess its because Im only 22 and just don’t feel that me being a “Mr” seems appropriate. I however sometimes refer to parents or other adults by their last name but that just depends upon what I find is most comfortable to an adult.

    I tell Scouts that however a leader wants to be called is appropriate but until that adult makes you aware of this always use “Mr” or “Mrs” as appropriate.

    Maybe I’m not setting the right example but that is what I prefer and to respect me I ask Scouts to use my first name. I personally was raised to call an adult or authority figure by their last name with the appropriate title in front but for me I have found people calling me by my first name the most comfortable. It really is just to relate and communicate with the boys instead of seeming as the big bad or intimidating Scout Leader. I sit on several council committees and have found that using my first name leaves a better impression

    • THANK YOU so much! I couldn’t have said it better. And I passed 22 about 2 plus times ago….I just turned the dreaded 60, and I do NOT want to be called Mrs. Holzer. That’s my mother-in-law, and perhaps some of my in-laws….NOT ME. And I, like you, think it brings about better communication. Trust and respect is earned.

      Someone said it isn’t. YES it is. The example given was respecting mother and father….true, in most instances. But, I’m sorry, a parent who abuses their child whether it be physical, emotional or sexual deserves NO respect …so I do not give parents a blanket RESPECT honor.

      That doesn’t mean you don’t have to do what teachers, bosses, and parents tell you to do, that’s life…but they do not deserve your respect if they mistreat you. Sorry to disagree with that other person.

      And believe me, just because a child/teen addresses someone with an honorary title DOES NOT mean they respect them. It simply means they are doing what they are required to do…and then laughing behind the adult’s back.

      The boys DO think of my as their friend. They know that there isn’t anything they can say that would embarrass me (I was raised around males – and 90% of my friends growing up and now are male). We sit and talk (just came back from camp) – about everything from girls to music to movies to camping. I do what they do, I don’t sit on the sidelines. If they climb, I climb. If they do water activities, I do as well.

      I’m with a new troop and no longer scoutmaster which suits me fine. I don’t have the stress anymore, I can just enjoy the troop. But whether I was or not, I would not want to be called by a formal name.

    • I was in exactly the same position – when I became an Assistant Scoutmaster, I was 22 and it seemed weird to have Scouts who were only five years younger than me call me “Mr. Brown”. I’m 61 now, but I never got out of the habit. No one calls me “Mr. Brown”, and it just sounds odd to me. In thirty years as a troop leader, I’ve never felt any lack of respect from it.

      The Scouts will adapt to whatever the adult expects – when I was at the troop level we often had “Mike”, “Jerry”, “Mr. Wright” and “Mr. Kostuk” on campouts. Not a problem.

  17. I am the Scoutmaster of Troop 121 in Theodore Alabama. My reply to my Scouts on this issue is always the same: You can call me Mr. Buddy or Mr. Weaver, but my first name is Mr.. The same goes for each of the other adults that work with our units.

    When told by a parent many years ago that they did not require their children to “do that” my response was “they do now!” We also require “thank you and please, yes ma’am and no ma’am.

    My reinforcement is to also use these terms when speaking with my Scouts and Parents.

    In my 34+ years as an adult leader this has never been an issue, If everyone understands the game from the outset.

  18. The boys in the troop are introduced to the adults as “Mr. __” or “Mrs. __” (we have one “Dr. __”) and they just get used to it. Parents in these parts expect that level of decorum. Typically, I address the boys in the same fashion when they a performing a ceremonial role (including giving a weather report). Sometimes I use “Young Mr. __” to distinguish them from their dad.

    The venturers may call me by first name, but very few do. The few that realize that I am allowing it have a tough time making that transition after all those years. Usually, it’s the youth from other crews who freely use my first name. That’s how I prefer to be introduced at most public gatherings.

    My own kids have been welcome to use either “Dad” or “Mr. __”, the first two chose the former, the last one the latter. In fact, at a recent court of honor where he was sergeant-at-arms and I was MC, we used “Mr. __” to address each other, and it surprised a couple of folks who weren’t used to that level of formality between father and son.

  19. I’ve worked with youth as a counselor at church, a public school teacher, and a scout leader. For long term relationships respect is earned by behavior, but youth show a lot more respect to adults in general when they are taught to use titles and last names. I ask them to call me Mr. Deemer. It seemed weird at first, but I soon got over the feeling that that was my Dad’s name. Now that my dad has passed on I’m honored to wear his title.

  20. I’ve been the Scoutmaster since I was 21. I am now 33. I’ve always had the boys use my first name. It all started from the beginning. I ended up being the Scoutmaster over boys I was once SPL with. So it seemed odd for them to call me Mr. Sayre. That’s my dad.

  21. I require all scouts to address all adults as Mr., Mrs., Miss, & Ms. as a show of respect of their elders. I also require them to say yes or no sir or mam. I do the same as I require them to help them remember as most don’t usually get it anywhere else. I will even say yes or no sir to them.

  22. In my troop, it’s true that scouts address adults by Mr. Lastname, but I think some of the reasons here aren’t right.

    See, we lead a boy-led troop. The right thing to do is give the scouts the way forward and let us help when necessary, which is almost never. Treating the scouts like they’re our “students” or children is wrong… because we’re not teachers. Scouts teach scout skills and scouts lead scouts. When you get into “those kids better treat me as their rightful elder,” certainly respect is necessary, but I think it’s easy for the adults to take the wrong approach.

  23. Just finished a week of Cub Scout day camp. I asked my leaders what THEY wish to be called. Personally, I don’t care for Mrs. X. I prefer me first name. I can say that I received no less respect than in previous years when everyone went by Mr or Mrs. What is disrespectful is to insist someone be referred to as Mr or Mrs when they don’t like it.

    Leave it up to the individual. If respect doesn’t come, it’s NOT because of how you’re being addressed.

  24. Being addressed by full title doesn’t signify respect any more than being addressed by first name or nickname shows disrespect. I would bet we all have had bosses who you were expected to address as Mr. Jones, and did you in fact respect all those ;-) So setting that argument aside I think requiring formal names is fine if you consider yourself in a position of power over the Scouts, the same as a parent, teacher, or boss! If you consider yourself a facilitator of program whose job is to guide youth, perhaps having a more friendly way of addressing and being addressed might be more appropriate.

    Quite a few years ago I started taking youth to a Canadian scout camp, and they discovered that addressing a leader as Scouter was the norm when you didn’t know the leaders name. Over the years a number of youth have called me Scouter ever since, and I have several who still do years after graduating from college.

  25. I like the way our Twin Arrows (NYLT) program handles it. Scouts and Scouters address each other with Title/honorific and last name. It says I respect you and you respect me.

  26. i believe it depends on the scout and scouter in question, some scouts have known a leader for 10 years, and by the time they are preparing to age consider that leader as a parent of sorts. as a scout i use formalities in front of younger scouts but when in a meeting with leaders (unless a board of review or something official) I use their first names. in our order of the arrow chapter we are told to only use first names because we are all brothers and no one is more senior then the next.
    on the other hand there are some leader i only use formalities with.

  27. Hi,

    I’m a Scouter in the UK; I run a Troop and have a Commissioner role in the County. The Scouts (of whatever age) tend to call me by my first name most of the time, but occasionaly use ‘sir’ when they sense that its a serious moment, or perhaps they might be in trouble. I think this maybe demonstrates that kids, like adults, are pretty good at judging the moment, and making a choice. As many on this site have said, demanding to be called ‘Mr’ won’t earn respect, and demanding to be called ‘Nick’ won’t make me ‘cool with the kids’ either. Its what you say, and how you act, not what title you assume.

    As an aside, it can backfire. At a County presentation the other day, in front of a couple of hundred Scouts and parents, I was introduced as the ‘important guest’ … only to hear one of the youngest Scouts in my own Troop say rather loudly, and with clear disbelief, ‘that’s not an important guest, that’s Nick’!

    Best to all.

    • Love it. But as to the backfire. I’m assuming you are laughing about it. I would be, too. Although I can see some people, and some in this discussion thread, who would have taken that as an insult. Not knowing your kids, I do know mine, and they would have meant that I was their friend, and not anymore important than they are. I think kids use that ‘important’ term reserved for people who intimidate them.

      There was a couple in our troop that were our ‘go to’ leaders. They knew it all. The boys did not like them at all, but they did respect their knowledge. They never called them by their first names. We had boys who would not even go on campouts if they were going. They did everything right, were incredible in their knowledge, but they did not make day to day living fun. They would jump on the kids for the smallest infraction.

      When I mentioned that to some other scout leaders from other troops, they said ‘we pick and choose our battles – that would not have been one of them. Had the boy broke the chair, we would have told them they would now have to pay for it.’ The boy was rocking back in a folding chair at the church mess hall. Not crazily, just rocking, as boys AND adults do. Poor kid was mortified….and this was a kid who is becoming a preacher….not a juvenile delinquent!

      • Hi again .. re the boy saying ‘that’s not an important guest, that’s Nick’. Yes, I was laughing, it is one of my great Scouting memories.

        Re your knowledgable but unliked Leaders, I would make this observation.

        Its easy to be a martinet, and have the kids jump at every word because they fear you. But how many will stay when they are old enough to make that choice?

        Its easy to be ‘down with the kids’, and let them do and say exactly what they want. But how many will respect you when they are old enough to understand that choice.

        Nick

        • You are right on both counts. Don’t get me wrong, I’m strict when I need to be. Here’s an example: We had a boy cross over, and he was hell on wheels. An adopted child who was spoiled beyond belief. Foul language (not around me, but I was told), would not do the buddy system, and would not work (as in help cook or put up tents). His parents were dolls.

          We went to a campout at a state park that was on a river. This boy did not swim. After several episodes of having to ‘search’ for him and finding him at the river WITHOUT A BUDDY, I did what the boys have never heard me do. I raised my voice and used language (not foul) that they had never heard me use before. I did not direct it at this one boy, I directed it at the whole troop because I did not want this boy to feel singled out, especially since he was a new crossover.

          Bottom line it was a safety issue. To show how the boys were shocked….one of them said to my grandson…..’what happened to our scoutmaster!’. My grandson laughed and said, she is laid back until you push the wrong buttons, then look out.

          For me, it’s safety. Scouting should be fun, but it can’t be if someone is either endangering themselves or others, as this scout was doing. Plus it put stressors on the group that was totally unnecessary. This boy did not stay in scouting. As his mom put it….he’s not ready. Nope, until he learns to control his mouth (we had a couple of very religious youth in our troop), and listen to safety rules and realize scouting is a TEAM effort and he can’t not be a prima donna…then no, he isn’t ready.

          Like the others said…I pick my battles. Chair rocking is not one of them.

        • mariahwwa,

          I had a pastor’s kid that took off 12 times on me in one day on a camp out. He too was hanging out by the water, would not contribute, but was not mouthy. When we returned from the campout, his parents were told that their child would never go camping again unless mommy and daddy were there to baby sit. So I say “Right on!” for you.

          Dad went on a canoe trip for the next camp out….and had fun as well. So things can change. Pastor’s or other kids need to be treated the same as the rest of the unit, no higher standards or no lower standards either.

  28. I expect to always be called Mister Parker no matter what age the scout is. I am 48 and until his death addressed my scoutmaster as Mister. It shows respect and acknowledges the time the adult invested in you.

    • I understand wanting respect, but like others have said on here….it doesn’t mean respect. It means doing something they are told to do – whether they think you deserve respect or not.

      It should be the preference of each particular adult. The troop I’m prefers Mr/Mrs. I don’t, so they respect that.

      Besides, I’ve been around the boys for so long it would be difficult for them to call me anything other than Goldie. They respect me as a leader, but I think most of them think of me more as a friend than an adult, and I love that…as long as respect goes along with it. I love that that they don’t stop talking when I come around which is the case for a lot of adults. Not so much in our troop, but in many troops.

    • I know a Scoutleader whoi is called Mister by the kids. I also happen to know they can’t stand him. Its not what you ‘expect’ Bob, its what you earn.

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